[The Systemic Kid]

I never realised how loud they are. If you own one in a terraced house or flat, you're not going to be popular with the neighbours.

they aren't noisy - really.

 

[DavecUK]

Thanks Dave, the Vostock sounds like it will be a really interesting machine. Can't wait to see the finished product and if they are going to keep making and selling them.

In theory shouldn't the Vesuvius be able to replicate what the Vostock or Londinium are doing?

The Vesuvius can replicate it to a certain extent. The V-Vostock was designed to be better and address some of the issues with prosumer single spring levers.

The LSM group in the V-Vostock costs about 40% more, temperature is closely maintained, even during preinfusion. Plus the pressure profile gets a much better extraction than single spring machines that only develop a max of about 7.5 bar against coffee. Watch how the pressure drops on a V-Vostock, and imagine what a machine that peaks at 7.5 bar against coffee is doing for most of the shot.

 

[DavecUK]

 

[Eiffel]

I was about to get an Elizabeth as my first proper semi-auto machine, but just happened to discover this thread, and am very interested in this upcoming machine which seems to hit many of my hopes (simple and durable machine which will be easier to maintain than my 15 year old superauto, with quick warm-up time, mixing proven technologies and some 'cutting edge features' such as 'manual profiling'). A bit over my initial budget, but it's very tempting and I like to see manufacturers working hand-in-hand with enthusiasts!

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[DavecUK]

@Eiffel The V-Vostok is definitely something new in the lever world, not just a rehash of existing technologies. Still based around the fabulous LSM lever group, but with the changes needed on lever machines to give fast warm up, temperature stability and multiple boilers allowing independence of steam pressure...plus the group pressure gauge built in and more.

It marries the modern with the tried and tested, so of course there are on/off timers, PID settings, touchscreen on/off etc..whilst still being set and forget.

I have had shots from many machines, including levers and even with the Alpha1 test bed I have, it produces some of the best tasting shots I've ever had.

 

[Holonomic]

@Eiffel The V-Vostok is definitely something new in the lever world, not just a rehash of existing technologies. Still based around the fabulous LSM lever group, but with the changes needed on lever machines to give fast warm up, temperature stability and multiple boilers allowing independence of steam pressure...plus the group pressure gauge built in and more.

It marries the modern with the tried and tested, so of course there are on/off timers, PID settings, touchscreen on/off etc..whilst still being set and forget.

I have had shots from many machines, including levers and even with the Alpha1 test bed I have, it produces some of the best tasting shots I've ever had.

OK - after reading the full thread on here and now the other forum you linked to I am so very close to sending the deposit for a Vostok, I have narrowed my choice to two machines.. opposite ends of the spectrum

My new machine will either be one of these or a Decent... leaning more towards the V as it offers the (imo) better build quality/longevity - I do not intend to play around with profiles too much if I was own a decent, just like the idea of being able to use it for good consistent shots.. .something which you say the V has no issues with

 

[Like Medium Strong Coffee]

Thanks @DavecUK for ACS contact details. I heard from Paolo.

The first batch is fully booked. The second is about a half booked. The price is about €2650 (including shipping I believe) plus an import duty of around €120/€140.

Does it need to be plumbed or does it have a choice of an internal water tank to fill water for Osmio Zero please ?

Thanks

 

[4085]

Thanks @DavecUK for ACS contact details. I heard from Paolo.

The first batch is fully booked. The second is about a half booked. The price is about €2650 (including shipping I believe) plus an import duty of around €120/€140.

Does it need to be plumbed or does it have a choice of an internal water tank to fill water for Osmio Zero please ?

Thanks

I believe that they are all with internal tanks matey

 

[danielpugh]

It has an internal tank, which can be accessed from the side. There is a plumbed connection that fills the internal tank. Very similar to the Vesuvius.

 

[Holonomic]

OK - after reading the full thread on here and now the other forum you linked to I am so very close to sending the deposit for a Vostok, I have narrowed my choice to two machines.. opposite ends of the spectrum

My new machine will either be one of these or a Decent... leaning more towards the V as it offers the (imo) better build quality/longevity - I do not intend to play around with profiles too much if I was own a decent, just like the idea of being able to use it for good consistent shots.. .something which you say the V has no issues with

Just to add to this, what grinder would be considered a worthwhile companion to the vostok. Would a niche be "ok" or would a flat burr monolith style grinder be required?

 

[profesor_historia]

Just to add to this, what grinder would be considered a worthwhile companion to the vostok. Would a niche be "ok" or would a flat burr monolith style grinder be required?

Why wouldn't a Niche be enough? Just curious.

 

[DavecUK]

@Holonomic I use a Niche with it and for the last 2 months been using a Solo. Both work OK for me, had a fabulous Burundi Mpanga shot this morning using the Solo...so sweet. I made it doing a video to show a two handed pull for someone who asked.

 

[Holonomic]

@Holonomic I use a Niche with it and for the last 2 months been using a Solo. Both work OK for me, had a fabulous Burundi Mpanga shot this morning using the Solo...so sweet. I made it doing a video to show a two handed pull for someone who asked.

Great! Thank you Dave (again)

I do think I shall be getting one of these over the decent just because i think this machine will still be relevant in 5 years where as the decent (imo) will have cheaper and possibly better revivals or versions (ok, maybe not cheaper as the price point has been set).

I think machines using the tech in the decent may well be the future, but I shall think I would rather wait for that tech to be transplanted into a more "traditional" looking machine.

I do feel a little uneasy about buying a machine I have little to no reviews a out let a lone not even seen... but I do trust in what you have said and looks to be a winning formula!

 

[danielpugh]

Great! Thank you Dave (again)

I do think I shall be getting one of these over the decent just because i think this machine will still be relevant in 5 years where as the decent (imo) will have cheaper and possibly better revivals or versions (ok, maybe not cheaper as the price point has been set).

I think machines using the tech in the decent may well be the future, but I shall think I would rather wait for that tech to be transplanted into a more "traditional" looking machine.

I do feel a little uneasy about buying a machine I have little to no reviews a out let a lone not even seen... but I do trust in what you have said and looks to be a winning formula!

I use a niche and very happy.

Price of the decent = no chance for me. I'm sure it's great, but I don't have time or budget to do all the experimenting. Also I can't help thinking that in the end a lot of the settings effectively end up emulating a lever. Not knocking a decent at all - would love to have had one and played around with it. Like with the monolith grinder - scheduled for after the lottery win and second and third homes I'll have to fill.

 

[DavecUK]

Great! Thank you Dave (again)

I do feel a little uneasy about buying a machine I have little to no reviews a out let a lone not even seen... but I do trust in what you have said and looks to be a winning formula!

I can completley understand. The Alpha1 test bed I have is a 6 year old case (made differently now), no reinforcement and the standard reinforcement in a V case was even removed, no base plate, just fresh air under the machine...so it's much weaker than normal (so good job it's normally super strong). My group is god knows how many years old and leaks (it's an ex commercial group), steam and water wands used with chunks out of them, pump cable tied to steam boiler box stuck on front...it's a real lash up....BUT, it's the only machine I want to use now!

The production ones should be so much better, I am quite envious of people who will be getting them....so if you like what you saw...then you should be in for a treat.

 

[Holonomic]

I can completley understand. The Alpha1 test bed I have is a 6 year old case (made differently now), no reinforcement and the standard reinforcement in a V case was even removed, no base plate, just fresh air under the machine...so it's much weaker than normal (so good job it's normally super strong). My group is god knows how many years old and leaks (it's an ex commercial group), steam and water wands used with chunks out of them, pump cable tied to steam boiler box stuck on front...it's a real lash up....BUT, it's the only machine I want to use now!

The production ones should be so much better, I am quite envious of people who will be getting them....so if you like what you saw...then you should be in for a treat.

Payment has been sent shame I missed the first batch, but looking at the end of May for delivery.

Gives me time to look at a water source and tamper/distributer tools etc

Edit: this means I need to part with my torr tamper

 

[danielpugh]

That's good news on the May delivery - I'm also in the second batch. Reading Paolo's post about parts made me assume the worst, especially given they are in lockdown again. I'm mostly looking forward to seeing updated production pics.

 

[Holonomic]

That's good news on the May delivery - I'm also in the second batch. Reading Paolo's post about parts made me assume the worst, especially given they are in lockdown again. I'm mostly looking forward to seeing updated production pics.

The May delivery is probably on the optimistic side of things, was given that time frame in an email yesterday... time will tell! I think I missed the post regarding parts... any link to that?

 

[DavecUK]

That's good news on the May delivery - I'm also in the second batch. Reading Paolo's post about parts made me assume the worst, especially given they are in lockdown again. I'm mostly looking forward to seeing updated production pics.

Sounds like I've some catching up to do, I was out for a lot of today.....got back lots of posts here and I had some other very enjoyable, long overdue tasks to perform.

I didn't even know they were in lockdown again.

 

[profesor_historia]

Sounds like I've some catching up to do, I was out for a lot of today.....got back lots of posts here and I had some other very enjoyable, long overdue tasks to perform.
I didn't even know they were in lockdown again.

I think it will be only during Easter.