I do not know what bags Rave are using so I cannot comment on them specifically but this is a problem with some recyclable bags and is part of the reason we stick with traditional solutions at the moment.

The barrier isn't the same as regular bags and coffee life is decreased as a result.

I would advise that you remove it from the packaging and seal it in something like an Airscape as soon as it arrives.

 

I do not know what bags Rave are using so I cannot comment on them specifically but this is a problem with some recyclable bags and is part of the reason we stick with traditional solutions at the moment.

The barrier isn't the same as regular bags and coffee life is decreased as a result.

I would advise that you remove it from the packaging and seal it in something like an Airscape as soon as it arrives.

I fully agree with this, I did try and start a discussion to find out what peoples experience was with recyclable/compostable/biodegradable bags in general and how to tell if the bags barrier is too permeable. I did some experiments myself and found problems. Especially when unopened bags were stored in a fridge, with smells transferring to the coffee.

The above is not about Raves bags, just the general change to this type of packaging for many roasters

Some roasters I know, also had reports that the coffee wasn't staying as fresh.

 

I had commented on another thread about a staple breaking the seal, but on a bag where it appears there's no such breach I find that I can compress the bag with the air leaving via the one-way valve, then after a few mins the bag has puffed back to its earlier shape meaning air has re-entered. So, something isn't right.

 

Here is a picture of the current bags they use. I've just got off a livechat with RAVE they said that it might be a manufacturing issue where the seal is installed backwards, letting air in instead of out. Not sure about this, as each of my bags that have been of this material had the same issue. I always choose the same signature beans they

do, and have done for years n years.

 

Here is a picture of the current bags they use. I've just got off a livechat with RAVE they said that it might be a manufacturing issue where the seal is installed backwards, letting air in instead of out. Not sure about this, as each of my bags that have been of this material had the same issue. I always choose the same signature beans they do, and have done for years n years.

It certainly doesn't seem to be a case of the valve in backwards, because the air goes out of the bag via the valve when squeezed, so if it in in backwards then its definitely defective. If it's in the right way then it may be defective (as in, air may be finding another way in or the air may be coming in via the valve).

I do feel for Rave, they've tried to use a compostable bag rather than a non-recyclable, non-compostable , non-reusable option, but something has let them down.

 

Hmm I'm quite tempted to swap brands perhaps. I've been with RAVE for years n years. Never had bad coffee from them, had one bag I didn't quite like as the flavour notes was "Lime" and obviously was quite sour/ tart due to this. But I've never had undrinkable coffee from them.

Or what might be what I have to do is order smaller bags more frequently rather my usual 1kg- 2kg per month.

 

and/or put them in a coffee canister / storage solution. I have some of these bags in the freeezer, but always double bag, so have not noticed, but will be looking!

 

Looks like the bags Artisan use? They work perfectly well though.

See they're still including as much waste as possible if an effort to be 'cool'.

 

I've not noticed an issues with the subscription bags we have had recently, certainly better than than the standard kitchen zip lock bags another roaster shipped beans in.

 

As in? -

https://img.thrfun.com/img/094/385/ziploc_bags_x.jpg

 

The problem with Ziplock bags like tha, they are quite permeable even when heat sealed.

 

The old paper bags were great, had no issues at all keeping beans stored in the old paper bags.

If they are concerened about wastage and going greener they should stop sending me those black plastic paperclips. I have soo many sitting in jars now. I truly wish they'd stop.

They should see who is a regular customer and adjust so they do not send out their regular customers black plastic paperclips with the advertising on every single order.

 

They should see who is a regular customer and adjust so they do not send out their regular customers black plastic paperclips with the advertising on every single order.

Not had a clip for a while.....,old fashioned staples.....

 

I've not had issues- but then the bag is generally done within two weeks of receipt for me. Part of the reason I switched to subs from different roasters was to get through bags quicker before they staled- on the whole its worked. Im very happy with the ability to recycle the bags- agree the bulldog clips were a bit overboard, but they're now staples so seems a bit of a better thrust.

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I had a bag of these from Rave a few weeks back and have definily noticed they go off sonner as I have had to tightewn the grind quite a bit since first opening. Im going to support using recyclable materials so will be buying a air tight jar. Was thinking of getting one anyway.

 

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51MDQRQGkgL._AC_SL1001_.jpg Just ordered this off amazon. Think i'll keep the beans in the bag but place the bag inside the jar. Hopefully that works out spacewise. https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B07VDKVL8N/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_image_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1