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Yannick said:
Thanks for this review
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It confirms that the Niche is the kind of grinder I was looking for. Easy to use, easy to change settings, not too big (Parisian kitchens are small) and single dosing. We will change beans and brew methods almost everyday

I will definitively not spend 2k€ on a grinder anytime soon so I will do with the cons.
So glad to hear this as the ONLY thing that is important here is what YOU want and what you have as a budget to consider.
 
Viernes said:
Then compare the grind quality. We will find that while a Mythos produces a narrow distribution, the Niche produces a wide distribution and, perhaps, due to popcorning, with moderate or high variability between shots.
How are you going to compare grind "quality", as opposed to coarseness/fineness?

Even though the Niche (& all other gravity fed single dose grinders) popcorns why would this lead to variability between shots? If they do it, they'll do it every time, consistently surely? A Feldgrind, or a Lido E has normal variation between shots & they popcorn too.
 
Viernes said:
I don't agree with the point that we are comparing apples and oranges and pears. To establish a fair comparison we need to use the grinders as they were designed.

The Niche as single dosing.

The Mythos with a full hopper.

Then compare the grind quality. We will find that while a Mythos produces a narrow distribution, the Niche produces a wide distribution and, perhaps, due to popcorning, with moderate or high variability between shots.
But is it a fair comparison, if you just compare ONE aspect, while ignoring the others?

I mean, we are talking about the use at home, or not?

Are you really using the big commercial grinders with full hoppers at home?

Don't you change beans? Don't you change between Espresso and Filter settings?

If you take all aspects in consideration - the big commercial grinders are basically "one trick ponies".

They are great (maybe the best) in the thing they do, but only if you use them in the way they are designed for (commercial use, high throughput over the day, so a full hopper doesn't matter). If you use them out of their designed use case, they also have their flaws.
 
MediumRoastSteam said:
I suppose we have to agree to disagree. To me it seems, comparing a single dosing grinder with a full on hopper fed commercial grinder is like comparing a two seater sports car with a truck. Yes, both can take you from A to B, however I can't fit the truck on my drive neither can I take it for a spin on different roads on the same day.

What I'm trying to get is to be able to compare two grinders which are both designed for single dosing.
Yup. But also he's compare it with the EK43 single dosing.
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IMHO the Niche should have used a tube over the path with a weight to top up the beans like a lot of people have modded their grinders. I'm starting to have some random thoughts about how to do it (which isnt a positive thing), problem is the niche angle.

The Niche zero retention capability it's TERRIFIC. I've never seen something like this at this price point. Pity about the bean feed!
 
MediumRoastSteam said:
@Stanic, has yours arrived? any thoughts?
Hey, I haven't ordered one..yet
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Currently I'm focusing more on getting funds together for the Lelit Bianca, but that'll take some time unless I'll start with yet another job lol

And I'm really eyeing that Helor Stance motor tbh
 
But, the niche is what it is.......it is not a commercial based grinder. it is aimed at bringing a decent level of grind to the home user with industry established burrs with zero retention. I think after that, we can either accept or not the idiosyncrasies. There are bound to be aspects that even the greatest admirer would change, unless they had the benefit of a 1:2:1 with the design team. this argument over grinding into the pf......if you can be arsed with weighing in and the rest of shot prep required to single dose, then why is this such a big issue?

I am a big admirer of this grinder, both from what it does, what it has brought to the market at the price point, and the fact it is 100% BRITISH...show me a product anywhere in the world, that has 100% satisfaction from its user base......it does not exist! Why would a little home user grinder have anything more complicated than an on off switch? It is not designed to do 10, back to back shots so I am pleased you did use your mythos Dave.

Did you do a road test to see how the Mythos and the rest perform as single doers. Did you try to time swopping out the beans on the others. Did you compare the ease of assembly to clean with the others. I could go on (and on and on) but will not. I enjoyed your tongue in cheek review. Did it tell us anything we did not really already know.....I am happy to send mine back down for further consideration, if you want to run series of tests on the 4 grinders but zests designed by our members......over to you
 
Viernes said:
Yup. But also he's compare it with the EK43 single dosing.
:)
But to be fair, the EK43 in general is kind of a exceptional phenomenon in the world of grinders, where MANY (most?) other manufacturers are aiming for.

And, to be fair, this grinder is out of range for many coffee enthusiasts (price and size).

The Niche was never advertised to be a poor man's ek43.

It was advertised to be equal to grinders that are double or tripple the price.
 
Stanic said:
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Currently I'm focusing more on getting funds together for the Lelit Bianca

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Ahoj Stanic, might be for your interest, if not wrong you are located in South Poland and someone based in Trencin is selling since 7th November in bazos.sk a used one almost new (only 291 shots).

I guess is the same person that posted this videos in youtube.

 
Very well that looks tempting for sure
:)
and I come from a town not so far from Trenčín

Bazos is great, I've got the Portaspresso HC-P from there in spring
:)
 
PCJAnt said:
Ahoj Stanic, might be for your interest, if not wrong you are located in South Poland and someone based in Trencin is selling since 7th November in bazos.sk a used one almost new (only 291 shots).

I guess is the same person that posted this videos in youtube.

You could have pmed him this , is just isnt relevant to this thread.
 
Omg terrible
:D
 
I love mine. Love the look, the size, the efficiency with which it works, no retention or static and Ib can't say I've had any issue with coffee taste.

For the price it's magnificent, especially as an early crowdfunded which made it even better value.
 
Mrboots2u said:
You could have pmed him this , is just isnt relevant to this thread.
I do not have yet enough posted messages to send PM, and for Stanic is definitively relevant.
 
My thought process was swayed by my existing equipment so Ive tried to look at it from another angle. If I was starting out again, what would I do ?

Would I buy a Sage DB in preference to an L1? No. The Sage has proved to be a very capable machine but it just doesnt do it for me in the looks department. Heart would rule head on this so no need to justify to myself

Would I buy a Niche in preference to a Mythos ? Possibly

Id have to weigh up the pros and cons of both

Looks - neither will win a beauty contest but the mythos wins for me.

Size - I have the space for either but Niche wins

Price - Niche wins (comparing new / nearly new)

Taste - cant comment but both make decent coffee. Given my preference for lighter roasts I would go flat but this is without comparing the two

Ease of use - seems to be a lot of messing about teaming & ladling / shaking with the Niche so Mythos wins here

Looking at the scoring, the Mythos should win but price would make me seriously consider buying the Niche
 
Discussion starter · #55 ·
dfk41 said:
But, the niche is what it is.......it is not a commercial based grinder. it is aimed at bringing a decent level of grind to the home user with industry established burrs with zero retention. I think after that, we can either accept or not the idiosyncrasies. There are bound to be aspects that even the greatest admirer would change, unless they had the benefit of a 1:2:1 with the design team. this argument over grinding into the pf......if you can be arsed with weighing in and the rest of shot prep required to single dose, then why is this such a big issue?

I am a big admirer of this grinder, both from what it does, what it has brought to the market at the price point, and the fact it is 100% BRITISH...show me a product anywhere in the world, that has 100% satisfaction from its user base......it does not exist! Why would a little home user grinder have anything more complicated than an on off switch? It is not designed to do 10, back to back shots so I am pleased you did use your mythos Dave.

Did you do a road test to see how the Mythos and the rest perform as single doers. Did you try to time swopping out the beans on the others. Did you compare the ease of assembly to clean with the others. I could go on (and on and on) but will not. I enjoyed your tongue in cheek review. Did it tell us anything we did not really already know.....I am happy to send mine back down for further consideration, if you want to run series of tests on the 4 grinders but zests designed by our members......over to you
Why has this become an attack on my methodology? My PERSONAL essential criteria for coffee is taste in the cup and how a grinder delivers this with espresso (my preferred coffee based drink) so all of the other features ( which I mentioned as positives for the Niche) are not as critical to me.

Have I said anywhere in my observations that the Niche is shite? On the contrary I have said it is a great little grinder. However the grind consistency is an issue for ME and this is an issue across a wide range of gravity fed grinders, I noticed it on the hg1 and the ceado when single dosing.

Did I need to test the other grinders for single dosing, no that's not what they are for, however I did test it against the best single doser the Ek43, the versalab and Titus do not have the same issues neither did my Kafatek flat. I will however try and put some time into side by sides with the little santos, perhaps that would be a fairer comparison as I can test it against all of the criteria. Not big on brewer but will give it a go.

Here is my thing in all of this folks. Is there another grinder available in the Niche price range th does what it does. Absolutely not! So does this mean it represents excellent value for money for those that have that money to spend or even those considering stretching to its cost? ABSOLUTELY! Is it a great brutish product? Yes. Will it ever sit on my bench? NO☹
 
Does anyone have photos of the size of the Niche against the grinders mentioned here? I really like the 'Kenwood' look of the Niche and the way it blends into the kitchen domestically. Here it is against the E37s for example which itself isn't the largest of industrial beasts. For every person who doesn't like the look of the Niche I suspect there is one who doesn't want the kitchen to look like a cafe or garden workshop.

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And here's my current look in the kitchen

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and the look it replaced

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coffeechap said:
however I did test it against the best single doser the Ek43, the versalab and Titus do not have the same issues neither did my Kafatek flat.
What happens inside the kafatek to not popcorning?
 
coffeechap said:
I will however try and put some time into side by sides with the little santos, perhaps that would be a fairer comparison as I can test it against all of the criteria. Not big on brewer but will give it a go.
Interesting as that would be, doesn't the Santos also have an auger, so not gravity fed & not popcorn prone?
 
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