It *might* depend on the machine and how much scale etc.
I used high conc. citric acid once a month on my DTP but on the new barista pro it has a thermojet, so according to a few sources water spends less time in it and therefore might need something faster acting.

I plan on using kilrock (lactic acid) on my next descale which I think should be ok.

The sage one is malic, sulphuric and tartaric acid although I don't know what proportions.
Correction the sage website now says its malic SULPHAMIC and CITRIC.

I was led to believe ones with sulphamic acid in would be good.

 

Thanks Tom. This sounds more complicated than I realised! Excuse my ignorance, what what's a DTP? I have an Oracle Touch - do different machines need different descalers? Maybe I just go for the Sage one, which will hopefully be suitable.

 

I just ordered some of this (Cafetto at Home Eco Powder Descaler )

from Amazon, which, if my quick bit of research is correct, is pretty much what sage is selling for a lot more money?

 

I just ordered some of this (Cafetto at Home Eco Powder Descaler )

from Amazon, which, if my quick bit of research is correct, is pretty much what sage is selling for a lot more money?

What acids does it have in it?
I can only find it has citric and tartaric, whereas the sage has sulphamic and malic.

DTP = Duo temp pro, which has a thermocoil.
New machines have a thermojet which heats the water faster and may require a faster acting acid in the descaler, which I *believe* is sulphamic.

 

What is this thermojet exactly?

 

New system from breville/sage.
I don't know the exact setup but it's superfast to heat up and water shoots through it fast, so doesn't sit in it like a boiler.
Hence the idea behind faster acting descalers?

 

This is all I could dig up?

Name CASProportionCitric acid77-92-9>60%Tartaric acidIngredients determined not to be hazardous87-69-4Not required5-10%Balance

 

Under filling the filter basket using a technique that can be about right on E61 machines, never on any Sage - milk frothing worst I have seen her do, Comments on what weight of beans to waste questionable relating to any grinder. Mostly useless tips in respect to using any machine.

At least I don't find her voice as irritating as the other lady that gets involved.

John

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Sage recommended using heir own brand, and they had told me not to use vinegar anymore, they use to recommend it in the past but not anymore. I have tried many brands and found that the Oust all purpose descaler works the best. I also use some Caffiza pils for the group head, and take the screen out and clean it properly, doing that every two months and using Brita jug filtered water, two and half year so far so good.
Regards

 

Stick with Sage own brand if machine is under warranty would be my recommendation. Do not use vinegar seems to be popular advice too ...

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It works just fine for my Barista Express. I noticed a while ago that @home was oos. I guess they renamed it. If you want to use their product drop them an email and ask which one has the same ingrediants as the sage descaler.

 

@TomHughes

What water do you use? I thought If you use good bottled water (like ashbeck) or soft water or well filtered (like using that RO), you don't need to descale the DTP, only backflush it?

 

@TomHughes

What water do you use? I thought If you use good bottled water (like ashbeck) or soft water or well filtered (like using that RO), you don't need to descale the DTP, only backflush it?

I use the RO now. But when I had a DTP I used relatively hard water and descaled very often

 

@TomHughes

ah ok....I now have a DTP!

i'm in a hard water area so going to use bottled water, Will I not need to descale as using ashbeck (from Tesco, seems a popular choice)

 

I'm in a hard water area too and 8 months after purchase have yet to be prompted to do a descale, just the cleaning with a tablet. I understand this is normal if you use a filter too? (This is with an Oracle Touch)

 

I have water which is so soft it's effectively pure (<25 on a good day).

I still intend to descale the Gaggia every quarter. It's as much to clean it through as remove scale.

 

@Blue_Cafe

isnt that what backflushing it is for?

so, I'm using my machine for the first time tonight!!

I bought the puly caff powder, how often do I have to backflush it using this & clean the baskets in a pot of puly caff/water?

 

@Blue_Cafe

isnt that what backflushing it is for?

so, I'm using my machine for the first time tonight!!

I bought the puly caff powder, how often do I have to backflush it using this & clean the baskets in a pot of puly caff/water?

Which version of the machine is it? You can't backflush the 2015 - 2018 version.

do it at least weekly to keep solenoid valve nice and free of coffee gunk.

Soak you baskets / portafilter once a month.

remove the shower screen / dispersion screen / group gasket screen and clean it up once a week. A lot of coffee gunk accumulate there. by doing so, you won't find yourself battling trying to remove the dispersion screen and coffee gasket because it's stuck. And your coffee will taste much, much nicer.

 

@Blue_Cafe

not sure which version, I bought it on Monday.

will it say on the manual which version it is

 

@Blue_Cafe

not sure which version, I bought it on Monday.

will it say on the manual which version it is

Sorry, my bad. Didn't realise you bought a DTP.

it does not have a 3 way valve, so stick to manufacturer's instructions.

 

@MediumRoastSteam

thanks pal.....had my first go with it tonight!

 

@MediumRoastSteam

thanks pal.....had my first go with it tonight!

How did it go?

Do you like it?

 

@MediumRoastSteam

didnt go well but was enjoyable!

had no idea where to start with the grinder, came out in like 10 seconds! Tried changing it slowly but made no difference! After 4 goes the beans wouldn't grind (slight whirr sound but that's it)...gave it a little clean & then the beans popped about & motor worked but didn't grind at all!

maybe the top needs taking off & cleaning out properly?

suprised it needs cleaning after only 4 grinds??

 

@MediumRoastSteam

didnt go well but was enjoyable!

had no idea where to start with the grinder, came out in like 10 seconds! Tried changing it slowly but made no difference! After 4 goes the beans wouldn't grind (slight whirr sound but that's it)...gave it a little clean & then the beans popped about & motor worked but didn't grind at all!

maybe the top needs taking off & cleaning out properly?

suprised it needs cleaning after only 4 grinds??

Which grinder have you? (Very aware we are going way off topic here... "Descaling") 😂

 

@MediumRoastSteam

in the show off your setup I created a thread - 'at last' 😂😂😂

ive got the eureka specialita with DTP machine

 

@MediumRoastSteam

in the show off your setup I created a thread - 'at last' 😂😂😂

ive got the eureka specialita with DTP machine

Careful not to grind too fine, specially with oily beans. If you do, you'll need to clean it up, and go again.

 

@MediumRoastSteam

it was way too coarse.....I've just tried again going finer, still came out in 9 seconds @ the puck was really wet (has been dry previously)

 

what beans? i suggest rave fudge blend is a very good starter bean

 

@Cuprajake

ive started off with the chocolate blend from black cat

 

Necromancing this thread just to provide a quick update,

so following a bit of further research I found that sage actually sold cafetto restore themselves albeit in the UAE and not UK.

https://checkout.sageappliances.ae/product/espresso-descaler/

I'd guess this is before they got cafetto to create a proprietary blend, however it's good enough for me to buy a kg from yourspares, which costs about 2 packs of the official formula.

https://www.yourspares.co.uk/parts/ys805162/scale-remover-cafetto-restore-1-kg-1092105.aspx

I will add though that the product came unsealed but I don't see any regulation it must be, the website has decent reviews too. The container came with a measuring spoon too. Will do me as I can descale more often with a lower concentration and maybe treat myself to the sage version now and again.