[MW11]

What about the Cafelat Robot?

I have a robot and I hate the routine. Heating everything including the piston is tiring 🥲 it's good for dark roasts only cause it looses heat dramatically during pre infusion.

 

[Roko]

What about the Cafelat Robot?

Well I'm not sure that's comparable to the La Peppina or CT2, that's an open boiler-less 😅

You might be aware of it, but the CT2 has a rather different design in that you have a boiler which is basically in contact with the grouphead, and once you lift the lever up a little bit, it lets water in.

The boiler does not have a PID but the heat cycle of the thermostat is fairly predictable and only ranges some +/- 2c, which is not little but to be honest is not all that much either and if you have the light going on/off to guide you. On the other hand, unlike some other designs, you have very good confidence that your grouphead will be at the same temperature, in a similar fashion to saturated groups (with the advantage that the water does not really have to travel far to get to your coffee puck).

The Robot is definitely a valid wee machine, but it's not quite the same in that it requires a bit more of a faffy routine (but I'd imagine it would lead to very similar results in the cup especially if one drinks medium dark stuff rather than the fruit juice that is all the rage these days).

 

[Denis S]

Let;s not talk about toys here, they are something different, items for zen people who dont care about espresso related things, but maybe about aspect, experience while pulling a shot, material colours and such, the silence of no noise when pulling a shot. All those things are +++ but they are not related to the result in the cup.

Everyone buys what they want, and prices their product how they want, and people value things differently. I have friends who would not buy the Vesuvius evo leva just because of it's size and weight, not because of it's price or features.

"The temperature on the Strietman brew-group fluctuates within a 3ºC differential, so your ideal brew-temperature will never be more than -1.5c/+1.5 off.".

Related to machines, if you want to get the best value, La peppina has a 1C off-set from boiler temp to group temp (with scace) and if you pid it you can get the water to the desired temp within 0.5C degrees. It heats in 6 mins, and you can always dump the water out after each session if you want. The problem with it, are the materials.

In my opinion manual levers are nice to explore, but they dont give you consistency, or will never do things better than a spring machine. My friend who has the Pavoni pimped and using it for more than 6 years already, got a Peppina last year, he was pulling better shots after just 3 days, with an average extraction of 24% while on the same coffee he was at 22% on Pavoni.

 

[Pasturemaster]

I would have a CT2 already if the group height allowed a bigger cup.
It is beautiful, compact and reportedly makes great coffee.
I think there are 5 in Australia and they NEVER come up for resale.

I love the Evo but don't want the size or complexity, I don't believe my palate is developed finely enough to appreciate the nuances it can provide.
I have been following this build from the start and nearly ordered a number of times as it is sooo good.

I am waiting for the Odyssey to come out as it will hopefully fill that gap.
If Paolo can produce a simple lever with a stable group that out performs an LP then I will throw money at him.
I don't need/want milk.

As a guide in AUD.
Bianca =4,000 got one
CT-2 =3,000 I like
Odyssey = 2,000 (my guess with add ons) I want
Evo about 6,000 with current discounts.

 

[Roko]

I would have a CT2 already if the group height allowed a bigger cup.
It is beautiful, compact and reportedly makes great coffee.
I think there are 5 in Australia and they NEVER come up for resale.

I love the Evo but don't want the size or complexity, I don't believe my palate is developed finely enough to appreciate the nuances it can provide.
I have been following this build from the start and nearly ordered a number of times as it is sooo good.

I am waiting for the Odyssey to come out as it will hopefully fill that gap.
If Paolo can produce a simple lever with a stable group that out performs an LP then I will throw money at him.
I don't need/want milk.

As a guide in AUD.
Bianca =4,000 got one
CT-2 =3,000 I like
Odyssey = 2,000 (my guess with add ons) I want
Evo about 6,000 with current discounts.

There's definitely ways to overcome the limited headspace (72 or 73mm IIRC).

Surely if you want to make a Starbucks-like latte you are out of luck, but you can totally make larger drinks with it. I don't want to derail this thread further so I won't list them but feel free to hit me up in DM.

 

[gearosthyd]

a small update today or tomorrow my supplier should ship the display for the Vesuvius Evo that we are waiting in order to start the production of the second batch.

That's great news! Does this mean you think you'll hit your end of July target for the second batch?

 

[danielpugh]

That's great news! Does this mean you think you'll hit your end of July target for the second batch?

🤞

 

[MW11]

🤞

After all that wait! Finally, it's coming home 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

sorry I meant 🇸🇦

 

[Elephantoplasty]

Awesome news Paolo, thanks.

Very exciting.......

 

[Like Medium Strong Coffee]

Finally, it's coming home ????????????????????????????

sorry I meant ????????

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[MW11]

????

Muahahahaha

 

[Stevebee]

Just to confirm that you can file / sand the 55mm BPlus down to perfectly fit the IMS baskets. By doing it gradually there is virtually zero gap between the Bplus and the portafilter sides. Comes out easily as well. The edge ends up smoother than before with no fraying.

 

[Denis S]

My local made SS 54.9mm tamper base for bravo is done and ready to be shipped.

I'm going to order the baskets now, and already have the 55mm bplus for more than 3 months.

The price of the base was only 25e, I already have the Bravo tamper in 58.5mm and did not want to buy a base from Brazil.

My workflow is grind, WDT with my tool, bplus on top and tamp on it. The screen clip and shower screen will be removed.

 

[Stevebee]

As mentioned before, if you get IMS baskets the 55mm BPlus gets stuck less than half way into the basket, before the bed of coffee. Having no shower screen or circlip won't help. Easily solvable with some work to the Bplus though.

 

[Denis S]

excuse me, but I wont accept that the basket has less than half it's height filled with coffee, okay?

I am not putting 13mm of coffee height into a 26mm basket. I saw the grouphead, I know it has less headspace than other machines, but I do not think the group enters 10-13 mm into the basket, if so I will just use the 32mm basket. I am not filling down my bplus.

Can I ask you what is your dose? why would I want my bplus to go at half of the basket depth? that means I underdose, and I do not do that. I use 18-20g doses.

 

[4085]

Not following the finer points of this discussion, and not having a viewpoint one way or the other, initially, I was slightly concerned that when dosing 18 gms into the stock basket, after tamping the level of the coffee bed barely reached the half full position. Then I thought about it, and rightly or wrongly presumed that the smaller diameter basket needs to be a lot deeper than the 58mm equivalent, and because it is deeper, the headroom is greater. The headroom worried me till I sat and thought about it.

For me, and I am as far removed from being a super taster as you could possibly get, since I pull the shot at a certain point, liquid still comes out for a period of time. When I disengage the pf, if there is still water lying on top of the coffee, then it tells me my grind is too tight.

So, I for one, am just sticking with the basket supplied!

 

[Stevebee]

My dose, fyi, was 20g of a medium roast in the larger of the 2 IMS baskets. A light roast will probably be lowet. As dfk said, it barely reaches halfway. The machines will be with us soon so let us know how you get on with not reducing the size of the Bplus. Maybe my IMS or the Bplus are different from yours.

 

[Denis S]

I understand now. The idea and why we use bplus since February is to reduce dramatically the headspace, to the point you get a really dry compact puck, this makes you also grind coarser specially on pump machines.

Sounds like the 32mm basket from ims is more like a 22-24g basket and the 20g is kinda low for it.

I do not want to have any headspace left in the setup, so no water remains at the top after the shot.

Decent espresso puck with bplus:

Second pic is gaggia classic with bplus:

 

[MW11]

My dose, fyi, was 20g of a medium roast in the larger of the 2 IMS baskets. A light roast will probably be lowet. As dfk said, it barely reaches halfway. The machines will be with us soon so let us know how you get on with not reducing the size of the Bplus. Maybe my IMS or the Bplus are different from yours.

What mm would you estimate the right size for the ims baskets? I plan to use the robot's paper filters with them first. It might work 🤷🏻‍♂️ For the stock baskets I have a 54.7mm base which will work. Is there a difference in taste between the shots w/wo the bplus screen? The way I see it the bplus screen keeps the shower screen clean after the shot but needs more temperature right?

 

[Stevebee]

This is from an old post on HB about dosing in the LSM group. The 32mm mentioned is the larger of the 2 IMS baskets

"The 32mm tall basket is my favorite because I can dose 18g dark roast without the screen touching the coffee bed which makes for clean and tidy use. I tried dosing 21g dark roast on the triple, however the sleeve and retainer clip touches the coffee bed which makes a little bit of a mess."

The photos from that post show the piston sleeve, circlip and shower screen well and it does seem that they extend well into the basket. I'm going to just use a coin to determine what dose is best for each of the basket when its here.

WRT the temp of the Bplus, I think they mentioned use a slightly higher temp but only for the 1st shot. After that no problem.