[Coffee Fan Guy]

Can't comment. Never used a Pavoni, have seen them used though, and a buddy has one that I've watched him use a few times. AFAIK they take a bit of getting used to, but the espresso is generally better. @joey24dirt is probably your man to ask for a direct comparison between sage and Pavoni - he's a diehard convert now...

I'd err away from the Flair though if you want repeatable results.

Got you.

 

[Coffee Fan Guy]

Even then, I've seen a Pavoni travel case made with foam and people take it to hotels when out and about. I'd sooner do that than use a Flair. It does have its place though (that may/may not be in the bin).

Not cheap at all though:

https://www.lapavoni.com/en/domestic-line/lever-machines/

 

[Cooffe]

Not cheap at all though:

https://www.lapavoni.com/en/domestic-line/lever-machines/

New isn't necessary. In fact the older models (1974-1979 I think) are much better.

 

[KTD]

Took my niche and pavoni away to centreparcs last week...[emoji23]

In all seriousness if you drink under 4 cups a day and want to single dose I can't think of a better setup for the money. Once you get used to your routine it's predictable, clearly having more control brings about an element of unpredictability but it also allows for experimentation.

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[Fez]

Not cheap at all though:

https://www.lapavoni.com/en/domestic-line/lever-machines/

I'm sure I've seen near mint examples go on here in the 300s.

With a la pavoni there is no need to buy new

 

[-Mac]

It is not process/workflow I am running away from. If I was, I would just go to the Nespresso Vortex thingy.

I just can't see why anyone would pay £900-£1200 for an SDB when the Dualit Cino sells for £180 and the Flair Pro for £150...

Have you used a Dualit Cino, or are you just going off the looks/reviews?

 

[-Mac]

Took my niche and pavoni away to centreparcs last week...

I think that's the most middle class sentence I've ever read

 

[KTD]

Not cheap at all though:

https://www.lapavoni.com/en/domestic-line/lever-machines/

I think I paid 330 for mine brand new boxed off eBay, and recently there has been/is a few new boxed pro's , stradivari's and a wooden europiccola

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[Slowpress]

I have to chime in as a long time user of the original Flair. It is dead simple to get a truly excellent espresso. It is compact for travel, and equally great at home. The preheating is dead simple (I prefer using a moka pot base to both steam heat the brewchamber & boil my brew water.) The clean up is dead simple. In less than 5 minutes I have a delicious espresso.

Certainly, at the beginning, it seems like there are many things/parts to deal with; but once you develop a routine, it becomes second nature (muscle memory) and I would bet I can deliver an espresso & cleanup in the same time it takes to make espresso on a semi-automatic machine.

I don't use an expensive Stagg (just an instant read thermometer, but temperature strips work well, too).

I am amazed at how much better the espresso is from the Flair than espresso I taste from numerous other very expensive espresso machines. I can't praise it enough. The beauty of this device is that you can control absolutely every aspect of your shot (temperature, pressure, flow, volume, weight, etc)

ps

I get very consistent & repeatable results!

 

[Step21]

I'd recommend the Cafelat Robot.

 

[Slowpress]

I'd recommend the Cafelat Robot.

another equally great manual! I'd happily recommend both!

 

[Coffee Fan Guy]

Have you used a Dualit Cino, or are you just going off the looks/reviews?

Reviews

 

[jlarkin]

Reviews

I didn't get into detail but I know somebody near me that bought one and wasn't very happy with it, but it was just in passing they mentioned it.

It might be for your second drink of the day, that you're waiting, but as you mentioned waiting 20 minutes did you know the Sage does have a built in timer? You can use it to turn it on once a day...

 

[PPapa]

In the long run, an espresso or a flat white bought locally is much cheaper and easier to clean up than having a set up at home...

Then just have a simple grinder and AeroPress at home. Just saying [emoji4]

 

[-Mac]

Reviews

Sounds like you have 'buyer's remorse'. The grass is always greener. I'm sure you'll settle in with what you have.

 

[Mrboots2u]

Seattle Coffee Gear (youtube channel) has done multiple SDB tests and figured out that it needs 20 minutes to heat everything (group head, PF...)

get machine to 93x with pf locked in.

run some water through group with pf in , say 10 seconds

pull shot, how does it taste?

this won't take 20 minutes

enjoy

 

[Fez]

I agree. Buyers remorse is a common thing. I feel that unless you've used a flair and cino and prefer it to your current setup it would be massively unfair comparing them just based on reviews.

When it comes to coffee equipment especially, you can go off mainstream reviews. Here's an example, I Google best espresso machine and this was in one of the first links

 

[ashcroc]

I agree. Buyers remorse is a common thing. I feel that unless you've used a flair and cino and prefer it to your current setup it would be massively unfair comparing them just based on reviews.
When it comes to coffee equipment especially, you can go off mainstream reviews. Here's an example, I Google best espresso machine and this was in one of the first links
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Shut up & take my money! [emoji1787][emoji23][emoji1787]

 

[PPapa]

One needs to enjoy the frustration of making espresso at home. There's no point in spending £££ on equipment otherwise.

 

[Fez]

Shut up & take my money!

The best part is the espresso in Rome is pretty shocking ?