[Cooffe]

Burr size, geometry and alignment will all make a difference .

Completely agree, however if none of that has been confirmed (aside from burr size) then we can only assume it will be comparable to the Mignon?

 

[MediumRoastSteam]

I'm struggling to understand what's the main difference between this grinder and, as per above, a modified for single dose (lens hood mod?) Atom / Mignon / 64e or any other grinder with similar burr chamber/chute design.

Maybe the burr chamber design is different, I don't know... Is it? Do the burrs spin at a lower speed? What are the main differences inside this grinder compared to a box standard hopper fed grinder modified for single dose?

 

[Baffo]

I'm struggling to understand what's the main difference between this grinder and, as per above, a modified for single dose (lens hood mod?) Atom / Mignon / 64e or any other grinder with similar burr chamber/chute design.

Maybe the burr chamber design is different, I don't know... Is it? Do the burrs spin at a lower speed? What are the main differences inside this grinder compared to a box standard hopper fed grinder modified for single dose?

I don't think there's any difference in functionality per se, at least by the looks of the video, it does not seem like workflow is any different. You fill the "hopper" with your dose, start grinding, give it a few puffs, done.

I suppose the only difference is that:

- if you look at a comparably-priced Eureka (Specialita, £359, + mod, let's say £20) you get far bigger burrs for the same price with this one.

- if you look at a comparably-burred (sic) Eureka (Atom 65, Mignon XL65) you have to pay far less for the same burrs on this one.

 

[Northern_Monkey]

It seems to be a shrunk and tilted SJ? Though that may be over simplistic?

Pretty accurate, maybe tighter clearance on the sweeper vanes and marginally less dead spots under the carrier.

More plastic than the Mazzers, especially on the adjustment collar. With the floating three spring top burr carrier it also means it won't ever be super aligned. People questioned the difference fancy burrs would make on a SJ.

Not 100% convinced it adds a lot more than a SJ or Major with a Daniel Wong kit tbh. Cheaper mind, but arguably looks wise more divisive than the Niche, made me think of a metal bathroom pedal bin! 😂

 

[Aidy]

I'm struggling to understand what's the main difference between this grinder and, as per above, a modified for single dose (lens hood mod?) Atom / Mignon / 64e or any other grinder with similar burr chamber/chute design.

I'm not sure that you couldn't say the same for *any* grinder. Fundamentally, they're just a motor and a set of burrs.

 

[FrancescoS]

I have been following it for a while now - a Belgium retailer has opened pre-orders last month and I am very tempted: 399 euro with standard burrs and 659 with SSP burrs.

For Europeans this is cheaper than a Niche Zero, which sells for 750 euro (including VAT and other fees). With the difference that the Niche has been around for a while and it's tested and proven, but that's another story 🙂

The first batch will be shipped mid march, so hopefully we'll get more info and reviews

 

[Northern_Monkey]

@Aidy - Some grinders have augers (EK and atom etc.) bean turbine (Kafatek) or weights added in the throat by people as a way of helping them be more uniform on single dosing. Cheapest solution was the bean flow control disc now shipped as standard with Niche grinders for that.

Other grinders have more efficient sweeper mechanisms like the Niche Zero etc., or enough grunt in the motor to clear more effectively if single dosed like a modified Major or Atom 75e.

 

[DavecUK]

I just made this for fun, partly because I liked the music and partly because I happened to be videoing the shot this morning....for fun. Enjoy

It's unlisted:

 

[profesor_historia]

Pretty accurate, maybe tighter clearance on the sweeper vanes and marginally less dead spots under the carrier.
More plastic than the Mazzers, especially on the adjustment collar. With the floating three spring top burr carrier it also means it won't ever be super aligned. People questioned the difference fancy burrs would make on a SJ.
Not 100% convinced it adds a lot more than a SJ or Major with a Daniel Wong kit tbh. Cheaper mind, but arguably looks wise more divisive than the Niche, made me think of a metal bathroom pedal bin! [emoji23]

Yes you may be right but for us in Europe it's an alternative to Niche and a very good option now that Niche has become more expensive and you have to wait plus the problems at the customs etc and the delays etc, not knowing how the after sale service will work etc. People here in Spain still waiting for their February Niche...

 

[MWJB]

Pretty accurate, maybe tighter clearance on the sweeper vanes and marginally less dead spots under the carrier.
More plastic than the Mazzers, especially on the adjustment collar. With the floating three spring top burr carrier it also means it won't ever be super aligned. People questioned the difference fancy burrs would make on a SJ.
Not 100% convinced it adds a lot more than a SJ or Major with a Daniel Wong kit tbh. Cheaper mind, but arguably looks wise more divisive than the Niche, made me think of a metal bathroom pedal bin!

Yes you may be right but for us in Europe it's an alternative to Niche and a very good option now that Niche has become more expensive and you have to wait plus the problems at the customs etc and the delays etc, not knowing how the after sale service will work etc. People here in Spain still waiting for their February Niche...

They do make grinders in Spain & other European countries.

 

[Like Medium Strong Coffee]

The 2021 would belong to single dosing grinders!

 

[Baffo]

@MWJB think he's referring to the fact that as things stand now, the Niche is circa 25% more expensive in EU due to VAT being applied twice + import duties which are currently (until a system is devised) hitting goods moving from EU to UK and vice versa when the vendor is charging prices incl. VAT. Which makes the value proposition of this new grinder all the more appealing.

 

[MWJB]

@MWJB think he's referring to the fact that as things stand now, the Niche is circa 25% more expensive in EU due to VAT being applied twice + import duties which are hitting goods moving from EU to UK and vice versa. Which makes the value proposition of this new grinder all the more appealing.

Sure, but there are options, from Compak for example.

 

[Baffo]

Sure, but there are options, from Compak for example.

It looks like a good candidate for modding (but I haven't seen any specific kit being sold). I suppose that the "innovation" of the G-Iota is just that it comes as a single doser out of the box. Like the Niche, which admittedly has an easier workflow due to burr choice not relying as much on bellows being pushed.

Is there an alternative to this new grinder, which comes with similar-size flat burrs, and has readily available (across UK, EU) doserless mods, at roughly the same price?

I understand that the same can be achieved by buying a used Mazzer and modding it, but I take this new G-Iota as a welcome push to the market.

 

[Rincewind]

There's also a Polish distributor that has posted plenty of testing info, here. A quick Google Translate gives me the following:

For our non-tech-savvy readers here is the same page already translated for you, in case you were having problems doing so.

click to see page TRANSLATED

 

[MWJB]

I understand that the same can be achieved by buying a used Mazzer and modding it, but I take this new G-Iota as a welcome push to the market.

Of course, new products & wider, value for money choices are always welcome.

OE do short stack hoppers with weights for Compaks, a bit pricey & come from the US.

 

[HVL87]

So apparently the "DS64", new name pending, will be available for pre-order at Bella Barista in the next few days in the OEM carbon fibre style. 100 or so should be shipped before the end of the month. Bella Barista have 3 month exclusivity in the U.K.

...I might pre-order a Niche, as buying the "DS64" is a bit of a punt at the moment.

 

[Baffo]

So apparently the "DS64", new name pending, will be available for pre-order at Bella Barista in the next few days in the OEM carbon fibre style. 100 or so should be shipped before the end of the month. Bella Barista have 3 month exclusivity in the U.K.

...I might pre-order a Niche, as buying the "DS64" is a bit of a punt at the moment.

Thanks for the info. Do you know whether BB will offer any kind of warranty? Unsure whether the 2-year BTB warranty applies to grinders in general.

 

[MediumRoastSteam]

I'm not sure that you couldn't say the same for *any* grinder. Fundamentally, they're just a motor and a set of burrs.

Understood. But, take an example, the Niche: It's clear why it's virtually zero retention. You can see the work done. On this one, I'm failing to see. Maybe because I haven't looked hard enough in the videos and pictures available - there are not many - but I can't see the obvious difference between the burr chamber and chute path between this one and an Eureka Specialita - as an example. It seems that the coffee grinds are dislodged by air and air alone. So, in theory, the same can be done with the Mignon.

 

[HVL87]

Thanks for the info. Do you know whether BB will offer any kind of warranty? Unsure whether the 2-year BTB warranty applies to grinders in general.

Not sure but I've asked the question. Will update.