[ATZ]

Such a shame that you did not get on with it, like Patrick has said the warm up time is improved massively if you do a few short pulls once the boiler is up to temp. Levers are a live them or leave them kind of thing and getting to know the idiocincracies is part of the pleasure/pain. I am surprised that you didn't ask more questions of how to get the best out of it and admire that you have written your thoughts down, however you could have got so much more out of that machine, let's hope the new owner has more success.

@coffeechap - how long realsitically does an LR boiler come up to temp?

 

[MildredM]

@coffeechap - how long realsitically does an LR boiler come up to temp?

I haven't really timed mine but I would say under an hour. I am happy to switch on and leave on all day, personally. If I KNOW I won't be using it, if I am going out for the day, then I switch it off.

 

[ATZ]

I haven't really timed mine but I would say under an hour. I am happy to switch on and leave on all day, personally. If I KNOW I won't be using it, if I am going out for the day, then I switch it off.

@MildredM presumably you use a Wemo type timer plug?

 

[MildredM]

@MildredM presumably you use a Wemo type timer plug?

Not at present (we wanted it for something else and haven't bothered getting another one).

 

[coffeechap]

The boiler comes up to temp in 5 minutes! The group takes a lot longer, if just switch on and nothing else done the group is stable at around 40 mins. You can get it up to temp slightly quicker with some careful flushes but it is not fast heat up time due to its design

 

[ATZ]

The boiler comes up to temp in 5 minutes! The group takes a lot longer, if just switch on and nothing else done the group is stable at around 40 mins. You can get it up to temp slightly quicker with some careful flushes but it is not fast heat up time due to its design

That's weird Reiss makes a thing on the website about it being ready in 15mins

 

[coffeechap]

That's weird Reiss makes a thing on the website about it being ready in 15mins

I don't think he does, the l1 as was Can be ready in 15 mins but the LE takes a lot longer

 

[MildredM]

That's weird Reiss makes a thing on the website about it being ready in 15mins

He clearly states 1 hour.

 

[ATZ]

He clearly states 1 hour.

@MildredM maybe I am confused but for Londinium 1 (now discontinued and replaced by the L-R?) He states 12 minutes. That's where I'd remembered it from.

 

[MildredM]

@MildredM maybe I am confused but for Londinium 1 (now discontinued and replaced by the L-R?) He states 12 minutes. That's where I'd remembered it from.

 

[ATZ]

I was answering your query for the L-R ^^^^

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Appreciate that but I was under the impression the group on the L1 and LR were/are the same?

 

[coffeechap]

Appreciate that but I was under the impression the group on the L1 and LR were/are the same?

The group is the same, the method of feeding the group is entirely different, the original Londinium machine was direct fed from the boiler via a thermosyphon loop so got hot quick. The LR is a cold fed HX so the water going into the group is directly from the tank and not at 125 degrees. Thus heatvtransfer to the group is much less for the LR which means it takes much longer to heat up.

 

[ATZ]

The group is the same, the method of feeding the group is entirely different, the original Londinium machine was direct fed from the boiler via a thermosyphon loop so got hot quick. The LR is a cold fed HX so the water going into the group is directly from the tank and not at 125 degrees. Thus heatvtransfer to the group is much less for the LR which means it takes much longer to heat up.

Thanks Dave, understood.

 

[The Systemic Kid]

L-R takes 10-15mins to reach set pressure. The group takes longer to heat up due to the fact it's a large chunk of metal. You can shorten the time it takes for the group to reach optimum temp by dropping the lever allowing the pump to run hot water through it.

 

[Lefteye]

Another plus point of the L R is the awesome steam. Often the kids fancy a hot choc and the steam is ready in 10 mins to froth for amazingly smooth hot choc. Toggle switches still annoy me though.

 

[davidhunternyc]

@pedg - Thank you for your honest opinion. I too wonder what machine you got to replace the Londinium R? I am in search of an espresso machine too and sometimes I want to get a Londinium R and at other times I want to get a ECM Casa V (because it's small and simple. I know, with a loud vibration pump), an ECM Synchronika (double boiler with rotary pump) or a Profitec Pro 700 or 800? How am I supposed to make a decision? There are four machines here and I'm simply confused.

 

[MildredM]

All you can do @davidhunternyc is read, read and keep reading as much as you can! I love my L-R but there will be otters who love their machines, the ones you mention, as much!

 

[Planter]

@pedg - Thank you for your honest opinion. I too wonder what machine you got to replace the Londinium R? I am in search of an espresso machine too and sometimes I want to get a Londinium R and at other times I want to get a ECM Casa V (because it's small and simple. I know, with a loud vibration pump), an ECM Synchronika (double boiler with rotary pump) or a Profitec Pro 700 or 800? How am I supposed to make a decision? There are four machines here and I'm simply confused.

Pedg hasn't been online for almost 18 months so you probably won't get an answer direct from him.

As for your current situation take a trip to a supplier or someone who may let you try a machine out and see how you get on. A machine supplier is probably a better bet as you can try a few out and take your pick.

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[cambosheff]

He got a La Marzocco Linea Mini. The last I heard he was very happy with it.

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[mathof]

@pedg - Thank you for your honest opinion. I too wonder what machine you got to replace the Londinium R? I am in search of an espresso machine too and sometimes I want to get a Londinium R and at other times I want to get a ECM Casa V (because it's small and simple. I know, with a loud vibration pump), an ECM Synchronika (double boiler with rotary pump) or a Profitec Pro 700 or 800? How am I supposed to make a decision? There are four machines here and I'm simply confused.

It makes a big difference to actually see the machines working. Depending where you live, perhaps you can find local members of Coffee Forums with machines that interest you who will welcome a visit. Bella Barista in Wellingborough sells the ECM Synchronika and has a showroom.