[Rob1]

I hesitate to post this but I guess if people see it before the kickstarter is launched and they eagerly sign up to an early bird reward it could be a positive.

https://kafmasino.com/

Looks like an almost total rip-off of the DE1 with maybe a generic build of the machine itself that has been modified with the necessary sensors and controls.

Or it could all just be a lie like so many other kickstarter projects of the type.

 

[DavecUK]

I hesitate to post this but I guess if people see it before the kickstarter is launched and they eagerly sign up to an early bird reward it could be a positive.

https://kafmasino.com/

Looks like an almost total rip-off of the DE1 with maybe a generic build of the machine itself that has been modified with the necessary sensors and controls.

Or it could all just be a lie like so many other kickstarter projects of the type.

They are one of our new advertisers (along with Rave Coffee...I think it's a little different in that it has a 500ml brew boiler...

https://www.coffeeforums.co.uk/topic/56711-cfuk-advertisers-list/?tab=comments&do=embed&comment=838790&embedComment=838790&embedDo=findComment#comment-838790

 

[Rob1]

Hm I searched for the name but it didn't bring anything up, must be the use of a special character.

Well if it's a legitimate thing it'll be interesting. I can't look at stuff like this without thinking of the Arist. Hopefully we get to see the internals on the kickstarter page.

 

[DavecUK]

I think it's great that they thought we were a forum worth advertising on, didn't try and spam us, but did things the right way...to me that says a lot about a company. I too am very interested to see more about the technology when the Kickstarter goes live. The more choice people have the better IMO.

 

[Fez]

If it comes out looking anything like the pictures, that'll be one ugly machine.

 

[Dallah]

If it comes out looking anything like the pictures, that'll be one ugly machine.

It looks like it fell from the top of the ugly tree and hit every branch on the way down.

 

[malling]

I hesitate to post this but I guess if people see it before the kickstarter is launched and they eagerly sign up to an early bird reward it could be a positive.

https://kafmasino.com/

Looks like an almost total rip-off of the DE1 with maybe a generic build of the machine itself that has been modified with the necessary sensors and controls.

Or it could all just be a lie like so many other kickstarter projects of the type.

Look like the love child of Decent and miss Silvia...

I'm not sure they should ever have hooked up, because that is one ugly baby.

 

[Rob1]

I'm getting the impression you guys don't like the way it looks.

 

[DavecUK]

I'm getting the impression you guys don't like the way it looks.

Nah, I think that's the renders giving the surface a appearance different to the brushed finish I expect it will be. Looks OK to me, depends on functions and price.

 

[malling]

Nah, I think that's the renders giving the surface a appearance different to the brushed finish I expect it will be. Looks OK to me, depends on functions and price.

If you look at the IRL pictures it's indeed brushed steel. Not a huge fan of that, but it at least look better them the rendering.

if they could just offer a black and white versions I think It would help a little on it's wannabe Silvia looks.

 

[GlenW]

I couldn't help but notice some similarities between the app shown in the video on their site and my Decent machine

e.g. this screen (screengrab from their video when making a coffee)

and this:

(I was lazy and didn't take a photo whilst actually taking a shot - otherwise would have looked even more similar)

and also between the profile editing screen:

and this:

I get that it's an early look at a new product - but I would have thought they would have wanted to put their 'own stamp' on the customer experience and not have something that feels so similar to a competitor

 

[DavecUK]

@GlenW Perhaps they will, it is sometimes difficult though. There is often a good way of doing something, that's unavoidable to have similarities to what others do.

Lightbulbs, Cutlery, Computer Mouse, TV remote control, smartphone interface, automobile controls etc

 

[ajohn]

Adding the buttons so that it can be used without a tablet is an interesting touch. Pity the gravimetric dosing is via scales on the drip tray but if an SBE can produce shots to better than 2ml assuming people can persuade it to work as it can isn't that good enough? I'd assume the flow meter in this one can function more accurately than the SBE can.

As Dave mentions a touch screen is a touch screen - only so much can be done with them for this sort of use, or any other if mimicking a mouse is included. They mimic sliders, push buttons and knobs etc.

Style - Silvia and Gaggia like. Maybe they should put an E61 head on it rather than the wart on Decent's machine.

They may just turn out to be yet another premium price type company.

 

[BlackCatCoffee]

If they can bring it to market at a good price point I am sure it will do very well.

With regards to the looks I see more Lelit that Silvia but hey lots of machines look alike so I won't hold that against them.

I am not a Kickstarter kinda guy but I will be following it with interest and I wish them every success.

 

[InfamousTuba]

The flow meter is an interesting part, especially as decent removed their flow meter because they couldn't find one that was accurate enough without being far too expensive.

I do hope they can get the prototype into some other peoples hands maybe at some events when things are more relaxed, because kickstarter is always big risk especially when dealing with expensive products like this. As far as looks go it is a prototype so I don't mind the price, performance and reliability I would say are going to be key to how well it performs.

It is an interesting idea, still a bit rough around the edges in some regards but interesting to see where it goes

 

[ajohn]

Things seem to be changing with flow meters and commercial ones are not that expensive. Sage's problem is that they are before the OPV so can be plastic. Of late some higher pressure ones are appearing but still not 16bar. However measuring actual flow is likely to be different. What the usual type can do is be monitored and pulses indicate the flow of liquid and it's unlikely to be linear so if other aspects of brewing coffee are pretty constant they can work and cope with reasonable variations in prep.

Decent probably dropped it due to the flow rates the machine can brew at. This lot may find the same. The meters are full of liquid and sort of jet like arrangement where fluid goes in causes vanes to rotate. Those are counted. Our Morphy Richards hot water dispenser works they same way and delivers pretty accurate amounts. Flow rates into it's boiler are not slow.

There are other ways of measuring flow but coffee machines seem to stick with the vanes and other methods may have the same problem.

 

[MediumRoastSteam]

I'm looking with interest too.

- Price point: This will be the key, IMO.
- The machine has a boiler: Will be interesting if the software allows you to control the temperature at the group and how precise the temperature control is. Is the boiler just doing the bulk of the work and maybe there's a small heater or is it just a standard boiler/pid approach? (unlike the Decent, which has no boilers)
- Thermoblock steaming: I would be very interested in knowing how well this performs
- Software: Will the machine be able to be used if, for whichever reason, they go out of business? Is there any cloud nonsense involved for basic operation? Can the tablet be easily replaced, and can the app be downloaded to any standard vanilla/stock Android tablet?

Looks... Meh. If it is a great product, looks ok to me. It's a hybrid Gaggia Classic / Rancilio Silvia / Lelit Victoria kind of thing. 🙂

 

[ajohn]

The problem with thermo steam is well known - scale for obvious reasons. It works as many Sage owners know. Steam is steam. Maybe a separate tank of triple distilled water would be the best answer but in real terms they can be descaled. On Sage it's done by running descaler through at brew settings as the same thermothingy is used.

 

[DavecUK]

I do hope they can get the prototype into some other peoples hands maybe at some events when things are more relaxed, because kickstarter is always big risk especially when dealing with expensive products like this. As far as looks go it is a prototype so I don't mind the price, performance and reliability I would say are going to be key to how well it performs.

It is an interesting idea, still a bit rough around the edges in some regards but interesting to see where it goes

I'd love to get my hands on a prototype ... although I suspect that won't happen.

 

[malling]

Adding the buttons so that it can be used without a tablet is an interesting touch. Pity the gravimetric dosing is via scales on the drip tray but if an SBE can produce shots to better than 2ml assuming people can persuade it to work as it can isn't that good enough? I'd assume the flow meter in this one can function more accurately than the SBE can.

As Dave mentions a touch screen is a touch screen - only so much can be done with them for this sort of use, or any other if mimicking a mouse is included. They mimic sliders, push buttons and knobs etc.

Style - Silvia and Gaggia like. Maybe they should put an E61 head on it rather than the wart on Decent's machine.

They may just turn out to be yet another premium price type company.

I actually don't think it will be nearly as expensive, unlike Decent who designed/made everything from scratch and uses allot of custom made parts, this more look like it uses of the shelf parts, tested and well known and used technology.

I think we might see this for approximately £2000-2500 . Although I hope for a chocker price under £2000 although That might be a little optimistic.