Just reading around and stumble upon the decent espresso machine being built. Sounds like it ticks all the boxes. Anyone heard any more about it??
Yes I get that this takes the art out but if I can get consistantly good results on a machine that may come in under £850 then that's appealing.Jiiim said:Look like really clever products. Not sure I want to operate my machine with an iPad though.
I agree if it gets results - and at that price - then brilliant. I'm not fussy about the manual process, just give me a good coffee thanks!Lefteye said:
Yeah, it's less about art, and more just tactic-feedback and mechanical operation. Things you can do without looking, and rely on to have immediate effect.jeebsy said:The art? The art of lifting up a little metal lever that actuates a switch?
Yeah, seems unrealistic to me. I think that will ramp up pretty quickly when they get to full production costs, distribution, middlemen, retailer margins etc. I'd say double that is more like it.\ said:£850 is that right, considering the strong money for Decent-Doser.
The touch tablet shows you what is going on with your shot, namely flow rate, water temperature, current pressure. It also lets you draw (with your finger) the pressure profile you want to use. You can also easily change water temperature, hot water temperature (for Americanos) and steam pressure.Jiiim said:Look like really clever products. Not sure I want to operate my machine with an iPad though.
You're absolutely right, we'd have to charge at least twice that if we were working through resellers and distributors, as each typically takes a 30% to 50% margin.Jiiim said:Yeah, seems unrealistic to me. I think that will ramp up pretty quickly when they get to full production costs, distribution, middlemen, retailer margins etc. I'd say double that is more like it. I look forward to being wrong though.
As I'm the tablet programmer, hopefully I can make the UI not "laggy" and so far that's the case. I'm also playing with the idea of a count down timer on the steam, as well as screaming STOP (ha!) at the tablet to stop the steam (assuming working voice recognition).Jiiim said:The thing is though, some things are just best left to hardware/mechanical operation. For example, they have a control on the app for turning on and off the steam - I just really don't want to rely on a tablet for that; tapping away at a screen, or laggy interface, or trying to dismiss a message notification while my milk gets ruined.
I also wouldn't want to have to boot up an iPad in order to simply make an espresso. I get that a tablet is good for altering complex settings - it's perfectly appropriate there - open the app to change a profile, or dial in a pressure etc. But once that's done, just give me hardware controls to start and stop the thing.
It may be the only way they can get the machine in at that price though: offloading all processing and control to the iPad, but it still comes at a cost to the consumer. On-going reliance on a tablet and software isn't cost free, and obsolescence is a risk.
If they do go down that route, I just hope they use open standards/apis so other control options are open to people. 3rd parties/enthusiasts could make hardware controls, or raspberrypi alternatives for example.
I do unfortunately need to be clear that the 220V version will be more expensive than the USA 110V version (currently looking at £999). The reason is that we're putting much beefier heaters and pumps into that model, because we *can*. That means more powerful steam, because at 110V physics is not really on your side, whereas at 220V there's enough juice to make decent on demand steam. Also, faster startup time on 220V.\ said:£850 is that right, considering the strong money for Decent-Doser.