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@DavecUK Does this machine have a pressure stat? I was reading in another thread about @The Systemic Kid's L1 and how it had a stat? Are they necessary in lever machines?
The V-Vostok does have a pressurestat, but it's not used how you think....the lever group itself has no electric connection to the pump or main board. The pressurestat in the Vostok is purely used to detect a drop in pressure within the sealed system because the lever has been pulled and opens a valve into the group chamber....it then starts the pump.

All thermal management is by PID and sensors, not a pressurestat.
 
The V-Vostok does have a pressurestat, but it's not used how you think....the lever group itself has no electric connection to the pump or main board. The pressurestat in the Vostok is purely used to detect a drop in pressure within the sealed system because the lever has been pulled and opens a valve into the group chamber....it then starts the pump.

All thermal management is by PID and sensors, not a pressurestat.
So a pressure stat can control temperature? Would it not then be called a temperature stat?
 
You could call it that if you want, but no one would understand what you were referring to.
Fair enough. And a last (probably) stupid question from me... As 1f =/= 1c, do you have to be specific in which manufacturers you go to? Basically would it be possible to fix an American machine with a UK part as they use farenheit and not Celcius?
 
Fair enough. And a last (probably) stupid question from me... As 1f =/= 1c, do you have to be specific in which manufacturers you go to? Basically would it be possible to fix an American machine with a UK part as they use farenheit and not Celcius?
V-Vostok will display in F, often all the stuff works internally in Celcius. Most parts are universal, some even for US vs UK voltage.
 
@DaveCThank you very much for the very interesting description of the design process. It is remarkable that you have managed to get the LSM brewing group to perform as intended despite the "manufacturer's statement".

I know that everyone who visits this thread frequently is impatient to read/(watch the videos) your review.

Stays safe!
 
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@DaveCThank you very much for the very interesting description of the design process. It is remarkable that you have managed to get the LSM brewing group to perform as intended despite the "manufacturer's statement".

I know that everyone who visits this thread frequently is impatient to read/(watch the videos) your review.

Stays safe!
Don't misunderstand, it's the commercial spring levers in a prosumer single spring configuration that don't work as intended. They were designed with 2 springs and approx 2 bar preinfusion for a reason. it does make them significantly harder to pull, so this places more challenges on the case and machine design.

To give you an example a typical single spring configuration maxes out at around 8 bar (that's against a blind filter), against coffee it might not even quite make 8 bar, then will drop very rapidly, with a large proportion of the shot produced at sub-optimal pressures. Certainly nowhere near design pressures.

A double spring maxes out at 10.2 to 11 bar depending on spring age (the group in Frankenstein is probably 10+ years old and came out of a well-used commercial machine). The profile is also quite different. A single spring prosumer config can have the lever cocked with your little finger...with a professional 2 spring set up....no way, you won't even move it more than 5mm..It's why commercial spring levers are mounted up on higher counters, to make them more comfortable to pull.

When you get that great shot on a commercial machine in a hi end coffee bar and want to replicate it at home, it's pretty hard because their setup and the prosumer one is so different. My involvement in levers started with the Izzo Pompeii over 15 years ago, which was a LSM style group, dual spring. Always produced a great shot, but the single group was too large, so I gave up on owning one. 🤣

Paolo at ACS has considerable experience in levers over many many years, long before the more standard pumped machines..
 
Hi Dave, it would be great if the machine could come with single, double, and, most importantly, naked portafilter and precision fit tamper (around 54.5- 54.6 mm dia, if I understand correctly that the baskets for a 54mm group are 55mm).
It will come with single, double and naked double, I'm looking at stuff beyond all that, although the tamper I got isn't exactly precision fit, but it is ACS, metal and seems to work...the group is 53mm. I'm trying to lump in lever group rebuild kits to cover 3 or 4 years and water valve rebuild kits to cover 6-10 years and a bag full of steel shower screen snap rings, plus some other bits. I just got to make sure I don't forget anything.

I like to see people get value...manufacturers don't like those ideas of mine so much...but they like the free help <lol>
 
It will come with single, double and naked double, I'm looking at stuff beyond all that, although the tamper I got isn't exactly precision fit, but it is ACS, metal and seems to work...the group is 53mm. I'm trying to lump in lever group rebuild kits to cover 3 or 4 years and water valve rebuild kits to cover 6-10 years and a bag full of steel shower screen snap rings, plus some other bits. I just got to make sure I don't forget anything.

I like to see people get value...manufacturers don't like those ideas of mine so much...but they like the free help <lol>
It is quite obvious this is a project very close to your heart.
 
It will come with single, double and naked double, I'm looking at stuff beyond all that, although the tamper I got isn't exactly precision fit, but it is ACS, metal and seems to work...the group is 53mm. I'm trying to lump in lever group rebuild kits to cover 3 or 4 years and water valve rebuild kits to cover 6-10 years and a bag full of steel shower screen snap rings, plus some other bits. I just got to make sure I don't forget anything.

I like to see people get value...manufacturers don't like those ideas of mine so much...but they like the free help <lol>
That will be a worthy addition to the machine which I'm sure customers will appreciate very much.
 
It is quite obvious this is a project very close to your heart.
It's the most fun part of the hobby, the new stuff. This had been discussed for many years but had gone nowhere until we changed the vision completely and capitalised on what ACS already had that had proved excellent. The Vesuvius case made rapid development possible.
 
I have a Vesuvius and an early Londinium 1 and the Vesuvius case is incredibly solid. Probably just the connection to the drip tray is where it might need strengthening as stress on this area isn't a thing on an E61. An exciting project. I'm telling myself that it will be too heavy to carry to use at Farmers Markets in order to save my back - and my wallet!
 
I have a Vesuvius and an early Londinium 1 and the Vesuvius case is incredibly solid. Probably just the connection to the drip tray is where it might need strengthening as stress on this area isn't a thing on an E61. An exciting project. I'm telling myself that it will be too heavy to carry to use at Farmers Markets in order to save my back - and my wallet!
The Vesuvius case is very strong. Rather than use a new one for what is just a test bed, they used an old one and removed all the extra reinforcement that's standard behind the front panel, so they could fit the group... 😂 Obviously new reinforcement will be in production models. My case doesn't even have any bottom panels.....and of course almost twice the spring force of a prosumer spring lever...

Oh, yeah it's heavy....
 
My wife and I are expecting a delivery in March so finances will be tight.

The delivery is an Ultra grinder so I can't push it too far 😀
You can always get one of the Lidl machines to pair with it...(the ones in the Hoffs review), until you build your savings again. 😁

I'm just jealous...very nice grinder, If I had the money I would go for one too.
 
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